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category national | eu | press release author Wednesday April 25, 2012 18:07author by O.O'C. - People's Movementauthor phone 086 3150301 Report this post to the editors

The South East Region of People's Movement, which is a non party political organisation will be campaigning for a No vote in the referendum on 31st May next.

The grandly titled "Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union" is supposedly about "stability" in the Eurozone. Yet the treaty warns us that money from the new permanent European Stability Mechanism bailout fund will only be given to States that have ratified it.

The Economic and Monetary Union which Ireland signed up to under the 1992 Maastricht and 2009 Lisbon Treaties assumed that the 3% and 60% of GDP deficit rules for every Eurozone State would be abided by and enforced by means of the sanctions - warnings, special deposits, fines etc. - which are set out in those treaties.

If they had been and if the rules of the EU treaties had been enforced for all, there would have been no sovereign debt crisis in the Eurozone and no need for any Eurozone bailout fund. When Germany and France broke the rules of the EMU by running big government deficits in 2003, the EU treaty sanctions to enforce the 3% and 60% deficit rules were not applied against them, and they were thereafter effectively dropped for everyone else.

Ireland did not break these excessive deficit rules, yet now is being threatened that unless it votes to permanently hands over virtually the whole area of budgetary policy to the Eurozone we will not be able to access funding from the European Stability Mechanism should we require it in 2013. We have a gun to our head or so the supporters of the treaty would want us to believe.

In fact Ireland would have a number of options in this event: -

  • regardless of the Treaty vote, Ireland is guaranteed funding under the current programme as long as it meets its targets. A No vote will not change this;

  • there is no legal basis for punishing a state that doesn’t ratify, and to try to do so would damage the very Euro that the pact is supposed to defend;

  • if we adhere to the existing Treaties we cannot be excluded from their benefits. As Mr. Michael Noonan, Minister of Finance said after the last EU Summit, 'There is a commitment that if countries continue to fulfil the conditions of their programme the European authorities will continue to supply them with money even when the programme is concluded . . . The commitment is now written in that if we are not back in the markets the European authorities will give us money until we get back in the markets.”;

  • Ireland, if it should need a second bailout, could have access to funding sources such as the IMF, as well as our existing rights with Europe. This is the same insurance or back-stop that all EU countries are entitled to as members of the IMF. More EU countries have accessed IMF support than EU support in the last decade. These include Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, and Estonia.



Most economists regard a permanent balanced budget rule as absurdly inflexible. Governments need to run deficits on occasion to stimulate their economies and expand economic demand when that slumps heavily in their domestic or foreign markets.

In considering the possible implications of all this it is worth bearing in mind that in 2014, just two years time, under the Lisbon Treaty Germany's vote in making EU laws will double from its present 8% of total Council votes to 16%, while France's and Italy's vote will go from their present 8% each to 12% each, and Ireland's vote will halve to 1 %.This would be the context in which we had surrendered much of the stuff of national decision making and normal party politics from the arena of democratic consideration and debate.

For verification contact and further comment;

Kevin McCorry

For information on People's Movement check out:

http://www.people.ie
http://www.irishreferendum.org

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author by punt - erpublication date Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

How long is Brussels going to pump vast billions into saving the failed Euro Currency?
The Euro is dead. Its time to bury it and move on.

author by truth commissionerpublication date Fri Apr 27, 2012 17:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yes the Euro has absolutely failed. It is a weak currency. But the problem is that the Elites and the political class wont admit that their gamble on the Euro becoming a viable currency has not worked. Some economists have admitted this but the media in this country will not discuss this topic. Sadly many of the smaller grouplets and political parties are afraid to speak out and tell the truth on this issue.

author by Artpublication date Wed May 02, 2012 09:59author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What we have to understand is that 2 elected Prime Ministers in the EU were replaced by technocrats, elected by nobody. 25% of the working population of Spain is now unemployed and will no doubt be in recipt of benifits. How will these benifits be sustainable? The system is currently unsustainable with machines replacing humans at every juncture and our world saturated by product. When an opportunity comes to vote on the future as it is currently portrayed there should be no "gun at the head" of anyone.
Does anyone truly believe that the debt figures are real or that the big powers tell the truth about their deficits or national debt. If people vote yes the final opportunity to be influental will be lost.

 
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