Protest Against British Royal Visit

by Temair Sat Jun 26, 2010 08:29

Her self?
A bhfuil aithne aige cén fáth go bhfuil sí ar cuairt in Éirinn
Is it to Visit 'there' auld haunts (Dublin Castle-now that's where some tasty Anglo Irish history took place!) - Maybe? See if she has any relations in old Baile Átha Claith-maybe she'd like to call on all Irish women/men to fight for the 'cause' in Afghanistan (to be used as cannon fodder-like that rest were) No, I don't believe we'll hear from her or her Government why exactly she may come. But she wasn't invited by the Irish people-our opinion again doesn't matter to our present Dáil. Irish people need to remember who they are, who /where they are from, and what exactly is happening in our Country today (all 32 counties). Its oblivious how Anglicised some attitudes have become. They hold no substance of culture.
The problem is that this Monarchy has rained over and condoned past and present racial, ethnic, and cultural British policies throughout this Island-to the detriment of being Irish. Until her Government and people relinquish and restore the dignity and soil of our Island - she or any form of her Government will not be welcomed.

by peasant - lower class Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:36

According to the British Ambassador to Ireland Julian King, "public opinion here (Ireland) towards a visit by the Queen of England has been overwhelmingly positive."

But a poll conducted by the Irish times say that 43% of the Irish people are against a visit. That's not an overwhelming welcome in anyones eyes. Can these idiots switch on and off history as it pleases them.

And an ICM British poll in April 2001 showed that 34% believed "Britain would be better off without a monarchy." A Mori poll for the royal household found that only one in four people believed the family was hard-working. One in ten considered them good value for money.

Opposed to a 1964 poll which claimed that 30% of the public believed that the monarch was chosen by God!

So if the British themselves are full to the neck of these leeches, then surely Ireland can tell them to feck off and not worry about causing offence to the working classes of Britain.

Ní féidir an dubh a chur ina gheal, ach seal.

by dunk Sat Jun 26, 2010 14:46

Further links, vids, joe duffy show on the subject etc at the following indymedia article -

30th of January 1972, 14 civil rights activists were shot dead. 38 years later Justice came to Derry
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/96986&comment_limit=0&c...70819

Caption: Video Id: bOV7Zd-zjxo Type: Youtube Video
Éirigí`s Brian Leeson challenges British Royal visits on RTÉ [1/2]

http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2010/pc/pod-v-24061032m20slivelinequeen.mp3

RTE Joe Duffy - Should we welcome the Queen to Ireland next year

by Engineer. Sat Jun 26, 2010 15:40

The surname "Windsor" is a made up name.
It is taken from the name of the famous English castle.

The German Royals who ruled Britain changed their name for convenience in 1917.
In 1917 England was in a life or death struggle with the Germans.

Having a "Hun" name was not fashionable in 1917.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Windsor

Quote:
"The House of Windsor is the current Royal House of the United Kingdom and each of the other Commonwealth realms. It is a branch of the German House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (German: Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha), which adopted the English name Windsor by a royal proclamation in 1917. "

Their Germanic cousins the "Battenbergs" became the "Mountbattens" at the the same time.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battenberg_family

Quote:
"Most members of the family, residing in the United Kingdom, had renounced their German titles in 1917, due to rising anti-German sentiment among the British public during World War I, and changed their name to Mountbatten, an anglicised version of Battenberg."

P.S.
They never managed to change the name of the famous cake.

by Tara Tara Tara Sun Jun 27, 2010 09:49

It was reported on Newstalk this morning that a visit from that woman would cost the Irish taxpayer an estimated €8million. A ring of steel would have to protect her from dissidents and Islamic extremists- and the odd egg thrower I suppose. Now what else could we spend that on rather than giving her a good time ? Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

by V for vendetta Mon Jun 28, 2010 00:33

who said anything about the past? Her stupid visit will cost millions of taxpayers money

Those of us living in the present just dont need some upper class english twit using up our tax money ( that could otherwise be used for special needs education etc ) because she is bored and feels like a wander. Let her stay at home and be pampered on the english shilling. We can't afford a useless pointless expensive visit from some bored old bat.

by Uptown Guy. Mon Jun 28, 2010 07:58

Allowing a personally powerless symbolic head of state from a neighbouring island to visit us is not such a a big deal.

Britain is at peace with us.

What next?

The King of Norway is forbidden because of the Vikings?

The Belgian queen is forbidden because of the "Fir Bolg"? ( Same root word.)

Not all of us were reared in the bitter backstreets of Derry and Belfast..
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by V for vendetta Mon Jun 28, 2010 14:54

hard to "ignore" a cost of 8 million euro to the taxpayer for security and pampering for the daft old bat with no obvious returns. There is no tourism benefit to the queens visit. We have to pay for it.

Hard to ignore when our special needs kids go without tutors and our families are on trollies waiting for treatment and we are all becoming unemployed.

Just pure fiscal prudence. Nothing to do with historic imperialist rotten behaviour. (although there was plenty of that!!)

by A Freeman Mon Jun 28, 2010 17:13

All state visits cost money but none of the Windsor (sorry Saxe-Coburg-Gothas) monarchs have been over since 1911, so it's not as if we've been overburdened by visits from them!

Whatever wrongs her ancestors or even some members of her armed forces have committed (Bloody Sunday in particular), she has also had family losses when Louis Mountbatten (Battenberg) was murdered by the IRA in 1979 and the IRA men who carried out that murder (which killed an 11 yr old local boy too) have been released from prison by now, everyone has to move on.

We've also got Papa Ratzi due to visit us in 2012, he's got more to answer for in this country than QE2 has because he had real political power in the vatican (from 1980 onwards as head of the Inquisition or whatever it's called now) when clerical child abuse was rampant in this country and helped cover it up, his security bill will be hefty too!

by We the People Mon Jun 28, 2010 19:36

Inis'nt it great to know that the British can only ever claim 'JURISDICTION over other People's Country and never ever , SOVEREIGNTY?

Below is some of the humane actions of Lizzy's Troops in the past. Over ALL of Ireland.

by Union Member Mon Jun 28, 2010 20:52

She should really be Mrs Elizabeth Moutbatton as she married into the Mountbatton family. Windsor (or indeed Saxe-Coburg!) is her maiden name.

Anyway, what is Éirigí's position on other crowned heads of state visiting Ireland. I remember that the Norwegian King visited Ireland a few years back. Lots of the Arab royal houses visit Ireland. Are you against Royal visits? or are you just against UK royal visits? Didn't Patrick Pearse want the youngest son of the German Kaiser to be Irish king after independence? What's Éirgí's position on that?

by freddie Tue Jun 29, 2010 00:24

So she's coming on Ryanair, sponsored by Coca Cola? That's not a bad idea really.

Sinn Féin did protest against the Norwegian King's visit to UCD, as part of the Shell to Sea campaign.

by V for vendetta Tue Jun 29, 2010 03:04

"We've also got Papa Ratzi due to visit us in 2012, he's got more to answer for in this country than QE2 has because he had real political power in the vatican (from 1980 onwards as head of the Inquisition or whatever it's called now) when clerical child abuse was rampant in this country and helped cover it up, his security bill will be hefty too!"

Fine. Well we should also tell him to fuck off too. We can't afford to pay for the pointless pampering of any of these useless parasites.

by The Queen Tue Jun 29, 2010 14:27

I don't get why poeple feel it is important to question the queens name. Its not like it matters or has any significance at all, unless her maiden name was O'Connor!

Is there any need for the monarchy? No.
Is there still support for the monarchy in the UK? Yes.

I don't feel any urgency to protest against a visit from a tourist attraction. Around 40% of people are against the visit (irish times) which leaves a lot of people that are indifferent to it. No need to get worked up.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Tue Jun 29, 2010 15:07

Does she not symbolise in her person the discrepancies of wealth and poverty resulting from the pre-democratic imperial ancien regimes that precede the aspiration to Liberty, Equality and Fraternity as opposed to dictatorship of the latest military pirate with a lump of shiny metal for a hat?
Also, as V alluded to, she parallels il papa's presumption to intervene between the private citizen and their interpretation of the creative processes that generate life,as we know it, captain.It is still a sectarians only office,I believe.Funny how the monotheists never notice how many deities they worship.

by H.R.H. Tue Jun 29, 2010 16:12

Nice picture here of my subjects paying homage to me:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Gold...5.JPG

Julius Caesar had a man whispering in his ear all the time saying "Remember you are not a God" but I don't need that.

My subjects worship me.

by V for vendetta Tue Jun 29, 2010 19:38

"I don't feel any urgency to protest against a visit from a tourist attraction. Around 40% of people are against the visit (irish times) which leaves a lot of people that are indifferent to it. No need to get worked up."

no need to get worked up??? In a recession with high unemployment and severe cutbacks, 8 million bucks wasted is a VERY good reason to get worked up!!! it's that stupid attitude that allowed our coffers to be robbed by FF and their bank and developer cronies.

by Hotel Owner. Tue Jun 29, 2010 20:09

If the likes of V for Vendttta get their way British tourists will again avoid Ireland.

Just like when the "not-so-bright sparks" from northern back-streets were bombing and killing all over Britain and Ireland.

Costing all the 32 counties Billions in tourism revenue.
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by peasant - lower class Tue Jun 29, 2010 21:29

Mr. 'hotel owner' - the chances are that if we were still under British rule, you probably wouldn't own a hotel.
The decline in Welsh GDP per person (relative to the UK average) over recent years has prompted policy debate and Scottish GDP is still lower than the average of the United Kingdom as a whole. So how would that leave us fairing. Not to well I'd assume. Maybe you'd be finding it hard to make ends meet and what if you had kids to feed. How does the lure of being in the British army in Afghanistan or Iraq sound. Just like our American friends who can't find work - the government targets unemployment black spot areas. Maybe I'm wrong.

by V for vendetta Tue Jun 29, 2010 22:09

"If the likes of V for Vendttta get their way British tourists will again avoid Ireland."

The likes of....??? By that, do you mean people who don't like spending all their hard earned money on entertaining upper class parasites? And why should the simple prudence of some of the people living here in any way prevent ordinary british people coming to Ireland to visit? THEY are most welcome and actually CONTRIBUTE something to our economy while here, unlike most of the revenue sucking upper classes or political classes who come on state visits. I say let those useless fuckers just use skype instead !.

In fact, if they really must, the british public can visit the royal parasites in their own country anytime and much more conveniently at that. I fail to see why many of them would bother travelling all the way over here to see them too. That's a poor argument. The average british punter comes here presumably to get away from all the crap they have to deal with in their own country and see a few nice wild beautiful places and maybe get a change of atmosphere. Not to see some daft highly overpaid old lady muttering in a posh accent about aspects of her cushy overprivileged life, paid for on the backs of poor british workers.

by NonRoyalist Wed Jun 30, 2010 00:31

Putting up with Thin Lizzy is bad enough but this clown is a step too far.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/416992.stm

NO WAY!

by Jacqueline Fallon Wed Jun 30, 2010 00:54

No to British Imperialist Queen’s visit - unless, she is coming to visit one of her more notorious brand name houses ‘Maghaberry, Her Majesty’s Prison’ (currently, guilty of horrendous human rights’ violations - reported by independent observers) to condemn the brutal regime there; and to apologise for her army’s and her agents in M15/MI6 for their many heinous crimes and murderous campaign here perpetrated against mostly innocent Irish people (i.e. Dublin and Monaghan bombings amongst numerous others) - and carried out for and behalf of the British Imperialist Queen; and finally, to end the utter misery inflicted on Ireland by British rule. If she does all of the above, then she can come with a substantial gift cheque to the Irish people to compensate them for, surely, we are all in grave danger if she comes, because in my opinion, the place ‘will be blown to pieces’ such is the level of anger and disgust among decent Irish people.

by V for vendetta Wed Jun 30, 2010 02:16

"Just like when the "not-so-bright sparks" from northern back-streets were bombing and killing all over Britain and Ireland. Costing all the 32 counties Billions in tourism revenue."

Hotel owner, You are just throwing out figures without backing them up. Standard misinformation tactics. Do you work for the crown? Back it up with concrete figures or retract them as having been plucked from out of your ass.

where are the studies showing the sudden huge spikes in tourism in NI and the south after disarmament???? They don't exist. After adjusting for population growth and normal migration, the figures will not have changed all that much. And the figures down south are likely unaffected by the troubles except for a few short dips in the immediate aftermath of any incident due to the usual media hype.

Far more potential tourists are lost through the cost of living here than any other factor. That is largely due to mismanagement of the economy by FF. Are you complaining to your local TD about this hotel owner?? Or are you just using it as disinformation on this thread about the useless very expensive royal visit?? Or is your local representative a member of the tory party!!

by We the People Wed Jun 30, 2010 16:42

Maybe this sounds a little too simple.

I would like to know , who invited Lizzy (did she invite herself?) and what is the real intent behind this visit?

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Wed Jun 30, 2010 19:29

Sin ceist. Far from simple.
Some of Ye the People must be aware of the poisonous Anglo-Irish stew that that has been spitting fat since the nobility next door established their habit of dropping over to civilise us, and all the pains they have taken on our behalf down the centuries that only got a footnote in the Shakespearian 'mythistory'(I acknowdege my debt to Israeli historian Shlomo Sand for the useful term).
Well, a bit like BP floundering around to plug their embarrasing incontinence in the Mexican Gulf, the generational surge that sprung in the civil rights wave and led through Bloody Sunday to Clinton and Blair retaining a sliver of that agenda and its discontents, they got a half a harness on the mess and attempted to address the worst excesses with the usual general indiference of dublin, except in so far as the PR reflected.

So the general hope is that the Unionists might loose a little more of their fervour if it transpired that Ye Good Olde QE2 could dock and land from whichever of her royal fleet is handy and tell us how We are feeling about the historic reconciliation.Without us ambushing her at the Boyne for a replay.
That would be part of the intent.mostly cosmetic.Nothing overtly malicious about the visit, for a change.So my intention is to ignore it,except in so far as it provides material for comment.I suggest we all resist the inclination to do anything more aggressive than laugh.And we can always use the thread to set up an educational tool for the next generation of british kids that might get suckered into fighting her majesties current wars in such exotic locations as Iraq and Afghanistan.Not that think Lizzie would condone such historically ignorant acts as her government adventures into.Elderly as the woman is she is reputed to be less senile in many of her attitudes than her minions.maybe we should scare the shit out of the loyalists altogether and run her for president.she cant be any more of a Tory than Enda Kenny, and she is hardly going to let us down by toadying down to the yanks the way Doll Air-in does.

But judging by the wolfish tones in the background(well you wouldn't expect whistles)she is already making the flock restive.
That'd be the distractive intent.As in bread and circuses.dont get caught in the pack.

by V for vendetta Wed Jun 30, 2010 19:59

"So my intention is to ignore it,except in so far as it provides material for comment.I suggest we all resist the inclination to do anything more aggressive than laugh"

I guess 8 million bucks of taxpayers money means nothing to you then opus? Not all of us struggling taxpayers would feel the same. We should all oppose this visit on economic grounds alone. It's pure hypocrisy on FF's part.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Wed Jun 30, 2010 22:01

For adding the question mark.Very fair comment.Precisely what I meant by material for comment.Rather than a rag to fan more inflamatory distractions.As such it goes in with the waste of taxpayers sweat to throw a fucking roadfull of tanks round King George the second when he visited his airbase at Shannon within living memory.And as a lever to try and expand the propagnda that will accompany the histrionics within the mainstream noise that will accompany the tea up the aras.But lets not mistake her for Polonius or Iago.

by sean Thu Jul 01, 2010 18:44

the queen is not a particularly nice old lady who spends her day sipping tea and being awfully nice. think how she and her's got to where they are. she is part of the british establishment which still has enormous and much malign influence in the world today.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Fri Jul 02, 2010 14:23

But lets not go mistaking her symbolic self for the reality of BAe, no matter how many shares she has in her portfolio.That only suits the Blair agenda of stirring noise rather than clarity as to who the strategic malefactors actually are.I see her as a decoy duck, handy to distract emotional resentments and provide the Right with tokens of recidivist nationalist tendencies.By all means register your contempt, but try to provide facts regarding the origins of her obscene wealth and what it could be used for in terms of providing services to those plundered down the centuries of British military predations across the planet.Few of us are under the illusion that the empire has gone away.The danger is that this pinnacle of the British establishment Right will be used to foment reactionary Irish equally boneheaded rightists into idiocy that will reflect on more measured critics.It would not be the first time.I've been watching Irish nationalists feeding the chortling Brit propaganda machine for too fucking long to hunger for more rabid reaction forces supposedly speaking for me.

by republican Sun Jul 04, 2010 19:56

This is something where an anti capitalist bloc could organise around.

action is needed to stop this imperialist visit,this visit is about the current british strategy of normalisation.

things are far from fucking normal.there are presently 5000 british soldiers in ireland and this was always unacceptable.

the queens visit is unacceptable,and should not be tolerated,whether its in kilarney,cork or dublin,

all those who claim to be anti-imperialist should come together in unity against this visit.the opinion formers and the spin

masters are already at work gauging public opinion and getting ready for the visit.

we should get organised too. oppose the visit with action.oppose british rule.

by x Mon Jul 05, 2010 19:04

I imagine anarchists will probably want to distance themselves from a republican protest - but there's no reason in the world that another protest couldnt take place at the same time in a slightly different part of the city. It would definitely give the cops a bit of a headache. But more importantly - the concept of a royal family, with inherited wealth and prestige (paid for by the taxpayer) surely is repugnant to anyone with left wing ideals. The notion in a recession, with people being laid off and services being cut back, that a state employee (i.e. The Queen) still earns millions for doing nothing is insane. And the Irish Government paying for her holiday here, and all the pomp and ceremony and security, is also worth demonstrating against. Essential funding for a group providing services to people with intellectual disabilities, or paying for a head of state to come over here and prance around, waving her glove in the direction of the once royal subjects? Definitely worth organising against, IMHO.

by republican Tue Jul 06, 2010 16:34

why would anarchists want to distance themselves from republicans?

this is an anti-imperialist issue,aren't anarchists anti-imperialist too?

why would you advocate a separate protest,why advocate dividing a protest

before it even takes place,are anarchists somehow better than republicans

that they would need a separate protest? get real.

by sean Wed Jul 07, 2010 19:02

people need to understand. there is still a british empire. it is called the british commonwealth!

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:21

I think things have moved on a bit. The nineteenth century British empire has been overtaken and subducted by the Anglo-American corporate globalisation that now takes in the corporate players of the EU, Russian oligarchies, exploding corporate China, India, Brazil and the clique of elites that serve them in their pursuit of personal and dynastic wealth at the expense of the (again intensifying) impoverishment of the 'surplus' labour pool that feeds them, even in the poorest regions of the planet. Half the trick, if I am reading it at all right, is to recognise that there is a baby of democratic egalitarian solidarity submerged under all that disinformatic, hyper-competitive bathwater they keep hosing us down with through their embedded media, fellow-travelling, exclusive shareholders.
Personally, I think it suits the suits to let the proles vent their spleen at HRH, instead of the resident courtiers of the imperial TNCs. British politics has evolved considerably since the Raj and Penal Laws.
Many of the opponents of the continuing excesses of the sociopathic international economic system, unfortunately, seem to be still stuck in nineteenth century analytic mindsets.They prefer to wave righteous revolutionary wands rather than working out the complex incremental evolutionary footholds that need to be negotiated if we are to climb out of our collective ignorance and establish structures that will be more resilient in resistance to hijack by Bush/Cheyney type stealth putsches that can reverse in a decade the legal restraints built over several.
The good news is that there is no shortage of work.The bad news is that they dont pay you for doing the necessary work. If they did Pat O'Donnell would be able to buy Shell, Saro-Wiwa would be president of a democratic Nigeria, and Obama would not be constrained by the sabotaged machinery of an increasingly militarised US polity.

by Citizen Thu Jul 08, 2010 19:06

OD, You can oppose the pointless excess of a "royal" visit and be pissed off about previous british imperialism and it's effects on this country and register that protest. AND you can also be opposed to the systematic enslavement and impoverishment caused by modern globalisation and corporatism. Protesting both issues is not mutually exclusive and just because I object to expensive pointless visits by british monarchy does not mean I am unaware of other issues and it is rather presumptuous of you to think so. We're not all stupid you know. No gods or masters. corporate, monarchy or otherwise ok?

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Jul 08, 2010 19:49

Dont believe I referred to you.Or even noticed a recent post I could have been referring to.Whats your actual problem?Otherwise just stick to the issue and stow the personal shit.

by Citizen Thu Jul 08, 2010 20:22

ok opus, I'll rephrase my statement so you understand it as it was intended:

"just because ONE objects to expensive pointless visits by british monarchy does not mean ONE is unaware of other issues and it is rather presumptuous of you to think so"

there. now I've clarified it for you using the language of queen elizabeth. kind of ironic don't you think? I was not giving you any "personal shit" at all.

However, If I WAS to do that I might refer to how all your rambling opinionated posts across lots of stories on this site do quite a lot to clog it up and yet you don't even bother to read the responses properly. No, I was merely giving you my opinion. Rather like you do to everyone incessantly and with great frequency. Yawn.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Jul 08, 2010 21:59

..clarify it, using the language of the queen of england.
Very ironic.

Especially that bit where you hit your royal we and enunciate for 'everyone'.

One is flattered.

by viewer Thu Jul 08, 2010 22:00

Jon Stewart really slated the queen's visit to new york tonight on the daily show on more 4 (on right now)
catch the replay on more4 + 1 at 10.30pm. very funny!

Hope someone posts it on youtube!!

by Linkbot Thu Jul 08, 2010 22:08

Found that for you. yeah it's funny!

you have to sit through some ads and the first piece about Nasa first before they get to the royal visit stuff.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-daily-show-with-...83958

by Aghast - TheRealWorld Tue Sep 14, 2010 22:59

This kind of "debate" is so typical of what happens in Ireland and is indicative of this country's biggest barrier to progress. The history of British-Irish relations is long and deep and yes there are some 'bad bits'. First though remember that there are an awful lot of 'good bits' - whether you want to focus on the commercial (all the money and benefits derived in both directions) or the sentimental ..... lots of deep friendships and affection both ways. But even if you want to look at the 'bad bits'... can't you just GET OVER IT? There are much much much worse situations in recent history around the world and many in places where the average Irish person would regard the locals as savages.. and yet they are able to move on. So why can't the Irish? Is it boredom being stuck here on the edge of a continent? Do we argue so fiercely because we don't have important things to shout about? The more we go on about the so-called injustices caused by the Brits the more we build a dungeon for the Irish psyche. I even read of people saying 'I don't hate the Brits, I'm indfferent to them' - that is ridiculous... they share so much with us, our interests, relatives, values - it's just empty posturing. The Queen's visit shows someone over there at least is offering friendship despite Irish people spitting in their faces. I'm afraid we'll never climb the moral high ground. Here's a better idea - protest against the Brits welcoming the Pope and all the robbery,murder and abuse he represents - and that's just the Irish branch of the Catholic church.

by V for vendetta Tue Sep 14, 2010 23:20

As the great bill hicks said "Ok, as long as we are talking about shelf life here then stop bringing up Jesus to me. It was a long time ago..let it GO..."

As previously stated, all past imperialistic abuses of the british empire towards Ireland over the centuries completely aside here, The bored queen's royal parasitical junket is "offering" nothing to the Irish public except pointless extra costs of 8 MILLION EURO or more for her visit at a time of severe recession and cutbacks to public services and catastrophic job losses due to the actions of the bankers. This is no time for parasitical junkets on our tax money by the ruling classes of the UK. She should fuck off somewhere else on her yacht or go play with her corgis or something.

In fact I wonder if the Queen herself had any bonds or investments in Irish banks and propery which were paid back by the bailouts? There would be a certain Irony there if that proved to be the case.

by Foreign Attitudes. Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:09

What is funny is that most towns in Ireland have the signpost to Englisn name first and the Irish name on the bottom in smaller letters.

The people of Chareiville (Named after King Charles 1 of England) in County Cork resist havinng it
given back the original Irish name of "Rath Luirc".

We complain,in English, about an Englishwoman visiting this place.

She must be smirking.

"Why don't ye complain about me in the Irish language".

by Hu Bris Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:35

"We complain,in English, about an Englishwoman visiting this place. She must be smirking. "Why don't ye complain about me in the Irish language"."

Applying a little logic, and possession of an ability to understand and correctly intrepret historical events, is sometimes helpful.

The most elegant answer to that ridiculous question would, in my opinion, be:

Because your ancestors used ethnic cleansing and engineered a genocide, disguised as 'Famine', to clear the land of native Irish speakers. Through the use of blatantly racist laws Irish people were prevented from speaking their own language for years, and a campaign was launched to denigrate Irish Culture especially the language. That this campaign was a great success and that it's legacy is still strong today can be seen from the disdain shown by some of the more pompous Irish citizens, for the language and culture of this nation

Killing a language is very often the first of many brutal acts carried out by colonialist racists.

by V for vendetta Sat Sep 25, 2010 02:45

It's stories like these that strengthen my resolve (if thats possible!) that institutions like the monarchy and all these royal parasites should go.

full story here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-tr....html

We should not participate in the transfer of money from the poor to the rich. This visit is yet another an example of this. It will cost poor taxpayers 8 million euro. For what??

by Businessman. Sat Sep 25, 2010 15:32

Buckingham Palace is London's "Disney Land."
It draws in millions and millions of tourists every year.

Lucky tourists hope to get a glimpse of the local Gorillas (Oops I mean Royalty ) hiding in its depths.
Tourists spend money.

The Gorillas in Buck House cost a few quid for their upkeep.
(Bananas from the ex-colonies are no longer cheap.)

But they certainly make more profit for London than the Cliffs of Moher make for Ireland.

by septic Sat Sep 25, 2010 16:20

we are going to be wasting millions for euro we dont have..how does that make economic sense,and what interest does the queen have in visiting ireland anyway,why didnt she do this during the troubles?
she will sure cost a few bob,but maybe she that does not concern the likes for her,who is probably used to lining her rubbish bins with cash..

by séarlas Sat Mar 26, 2011 21:22

I really hope that a broad cross section of the community come out and protest when it comes time. A lot of people will be turned off by Republican dissidents being the main organization that actively opposes the visit. Hopefully people will come out and protest of their own personal accord. Neósfaidh an aimsir. I'm from Killarney myself where the local councillors wanted Lizzie to come to commemorate Victoria's visit. I wrote a song about the whole debacle called "the Famine Queen", you can listen to it as part of a blog I have, on the link provided. Its about half way down the page, the first section is about Fredrick Douglass and Obama's visit.