Ógra Sinn Féin member is injured while engaged in anti-sectarian protes

by other way Fri Aug 31, 2007 19:12

or something they thought offensive.?
Interestingly SF and most republican groups are bound to tolerating the unionist tradition,
therefore he was drunk or just stroppy.

by Willy N Fri Aug 31, 2007 19:35

I suppose it's boring being a $hinner nowadays, unless you're up in Stormont, governing the State while the Union flag flies overhead.

Now don't you dare try pulling that flag down you wee whippersnappers!

by Bulb Sat Sep 01, 2007 14:57

Considering you support the PSNI/ RUC now why didn't he just ring the peelers and complain about the sectarian organisationinstead of breaking British laws.

by SW Sat Sep 01, 2007 15:19

Fair play to him. Actions like this should be supported and encouraged. Sectarian organizations like the Orange Order should be challenged by all Republicans. (it's a pity some of the people who made the comments above can't bring themselves to support this action, and think it's more important to make attacks on Sinn Féin. Sad. )

by Mike - Judean Popular Peoples Front Sat Sep 01, 2007 16:06

Shinners claiming the Orange order are sectarian ?

Pot/Kettle anyone................

by Patrick Henry Sat Sep 01, 2007 16:47

You must be joking, SW, if you believe that an idiotic action like the one carried out by the Ogra member somehow challenges the OO. Maybe he thought that he could redress the damage done by $inn Feign to the cause of Republicanism.

by SW Sat Sep 01, 2007 21:21

Pathetic shut-ins. Get some fresh air. Do something. You'll poison yourself with all that anti-Sinn Féin ranting.

The young activist did what he could. The OO is like the Ku Klux Klan, and only exists in Ireland because sad fools like you would rather tolerate it than face reality, and the so-called radical left are more concerned with what's happening in the middle-east than dealing with the hatred and colonial mentalities in this country.

Good for the Ogra member. He achieved more in one evening than you'll do in a year.

by Tomás Ó Sun Sep 02, 2007 02:39

SW said "Good for the Ogra member. He achieved more in one evening than you'll do in a year. '

What actually did this OSF member achieve or accomplish in your opinion that struck such a major or deadly blow against the OO or occupation of the six counties?

by rooster Sun Sep 02, 2007 08:28

"What actually did this OSF member achieve or accomplish in your opinion that struck such a major or deadly blow against the OO or occupation of the six counties?"

All this young lad did was to inflame sectarian tensions and to put a community with a siege mentality feel even more threatened. The reaction of the local community will be to rally around the "butchers apron" and to become even more intransigent.

by Bulb Sun Sep 02, 2007 09:41

In a report by the Pat Finucane Centre on the Loyal Orders, which are sectarian bodies started to keep the croppies down, it was reported that 10 per cent of serving PSNI/ RUC members were also members of the Orange Order. What i pointed out was not a cheap point scoring but the fact that how can OSF believe it is actively fighting sectarianism when also supporting what is at its roots a sectarian police force. OSF needs to make up its mind. Either it supports the institutions of British occupation or it doesn't. If members who are genuinely anti partition and anti sectarian( and i'm sure there are loads) need to do anything it is to reassess the political stuctures they give allegiance to. The SF leadership are helping to stabilise a statelet based on an orange veto, thus denying Irish people the right to national self determination.

by cop-on Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:08

OSF are bound by the GFA as are SF and the other parties. Religious tolerance.
symbol tolerance. accepting the police force.
ye cannae have your cake and eat it too.

If OSF are incapable of digesting this then wtf are they attempting to build a national
campaign based on Irish Sovernity, bang yer drum elsewhere.SF are working with Paisley
now and ye are the youth branch- ye should be centrist and fighting for low tax corporate
shite like SF do in the south and leaving the work to the rest of us.

by radicaljonny Sun Sep 02, 2007 13:39

I find it always interesting that SF hardly seems to mention the existence of OSF, much less publicly comment on the actions that the we'ens get up to.

How about it, any ELECTED SF reps? Care go on the record with your comments about the above-mentioned action? How does it sit with party policy?

This I gotta hear...

by Mike - Judean Peoples Popular Front Sun Sep 02, 2007 14:33

And what pray tell is the Shninner position on the right of any person or group of people to display the flag of their choice on their own property ?

Is this not the Sinn Fein who back in the eighties made so much noise about "censorship" ?

Seemingly the Shinner position on free speech is and always "everybody has the right to agree with us"

Has the young thug in question yet been questioned by the police in relation to a little matter of theft/criminal damage/aggravated trespass/incitement/behaviour likely to lead to a breach of the peace/wasting NHS resources?

by Tomás Ó Sun Sep 02, 2007 14:36

Sinn Féin condemns arson attack on Seagoe Orange Hall

Published: 30 August, 2007

Sinn Féin Representative, Cllr Dessie Ward, in condemning the overnight arson attack on Seagoe Orange Hall said:

"This is a very sinister development as it is the first time that this Orange Hall has been attacked. I have no hesitation in condemning this attack and do so without reservation. All of us are trying to move on but unfortunately there is a small number of people intent on dragging us backwards. They won't succeed.

"Sectarianism is a cancer on our society which can best be resolved by unionists engaging with nationalists and republicans on a constructive basis through the political process. This attack may or may not be in response to a number of attacks on the nationalists community in the Portadown area over the past week. Either way it is wrong and will no doubt be condemned by all right thinking people." ENDS

http://sinnfein.ie/news/detail/20436

will Dessie Ward also condemn what hapened saturday night?

by curious george Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:46

The sectarianism of the Orange Order is not the topic here. These attacks are going on in areas where Protestants are a minority and, like it or not, the Orange Hall is the local gathering spot for Protestants in the area. The arson attacks, trespasses and ripping down of flags are intolerant and threatening to the Protestant community. Trying to dress it up as some revolutionary act against sectarianism is a flasehood.

by mourneman - none of the above Mon Sep 10, 2007 14:50

If SF try and force OSF to expell said youth, will OSF in south down refuse to comply with headquaters dictat?

by Member - Ogra Shinn Fein Fri Oct 19, 2007 04:15

Just want to thank you for your good wishes, it was me that came off the hall. For those who say my actions were stupid i have to argue against them. In a dominately nationalist town it is our right to remove what the majority of people in the town feel is offensive towards them. If a tri-colour was placed in Sandy Row would it last long? And do you think that if i wasnt a member of a political organisation that the police, media, orange order and DUP would be making such a great deal out of the matter? I dont think so...

by oneill Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:50

Ogra Member, I read your comment with interest, apparently not a drunken escapade then but a blow against the forces of sectarianism.

Two questions:

1. Have the PSNI taken any further action against yourself ?
2. Has your party taken any disclipinary action against yourself

by Confused Wed May 07, 2008 12:57

Your comment:
"In a dominately nationalist town it is our right to remove what the majority of people in the town feel is offensive towards them."

Does this mean that it was okay to discriminate against catholics because they were a minority in the Northern Irish state!

"If a tri-colour was placed in Sandy Row would it last long?"

If a union jack was on an orange hall near you, would it last long?

"And do you think that if i wasnt a member of a political organisation that the police, media, orange order and DUP would be making such a great deal out of the matter?"

No but you are a member of a political organisation whose adult wing is in government and therefore responsible for maintaining a government with the DUP!